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bOrgCast 7.21- The Maquis pts 1 & 2 1 year 8 months ago #12478

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bOrgCast 7.21- The Maquis pts 1 & 2 1 year 8 months ago #12479

The Maquis Part 1 or "Don't make me bore you ben" or man of oak


"The Maquis" is one of the great examples of complicated political situations that define DS9 as a series. Filled with intriguing plot developments (including weapons smuggling on both sides and the eventual kidnapping of Gul Dukat) and a multitude of characters, "Maquis, Part I" shows all the signs of a slowly building to boiling point situation that will eventually become one of the series' several defining plot lines.

Of particular interest is the extremely interesting role of Gul Dukat in the given situation, as well as his evolving function on the series. Sisko and Dukat are infinitely watchable as reluctant co-investigators, and they have two key scenes in this episode that are marvellous: one in Sisko's quarters, the other in a Runabout. The amount of depth that Dukat's character takes on is welcome and highly commendable, changing his image into something far more subtle and complex than that of a villain. Marc Alaimo's performance is multifaceted—revealing unexpected low-key humour and then turning on a dime to exhibit a menacing persona.

and have a great heated argument between Kira and Sisko regarding the Federation colonists' decision to resort to such violent terrorism
Unfortunately the Maquis just don't work

Bernie Casey's super wooden performance misses the mark and somewhat mars some important—and otherwise powerful—dialog scenes of exposition.
Bernie Casey is so bad that a friend of mind flicks over to a dubbed version of him with a bit more passion

And it all Plays off Sisko For me, this is the episode where Avery Brooks seemed to really start to get comfortable in his role as Sisko. I found his performance early on in the series to be uncomfortable to grating, especially in season 1. It started getting better about six/seven episodes into season two, but really seemed to hit his stride starting here.

Why were the Maquis referred to as Federation citizens? The set-up/prelude in "Journey's End" established that that group of colonists did give up Federation citizenship and claims to the Federation's help or protection and I don't see why the Cardassians would have accepted others staying without those renunciations.

As is the problem with nearly all Maquis-oriented episodes in all three series which dealt with them, the fact that the Maquis are childish, self-centred war-mongers is never brought up, but always circumvented into some other irrelevant "issue" such as Hudson's "loyalty" to Starfleet. Hello? Space is vast. Why settle in a war zone when you have a vast Quadrant to choose from? YES, the Cardassians are oppressive, frightening, and fascistic, which is why it is a bad idea to live in Cardassian space. so move. It is certainly wrong of the Cardassians to arm their people to bully and kill the colonists out. And I agree that the ex-Federation citizens who live on those planets in the DMZ have a right to defend themselves, in the sense of, they have the right not to be shot by Cardassians. However, the "right to defend themselves" always comes up as a way of dodging the fact that the central, inciting act of this episode was the destruction of the Bok'Nor with all hands

I would be interested to see if the show was remade today what "The Maquis" would be like. Mar-qaeda or Maquisis

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bOrgCast 7.21- The Maquis pts 1 & 2 1 year 8 months ago #12480

"The Maquis, Part II" or The Oak-man Vs Space Hitler

An extremely intelligent and often powerful continuation in the Maquis saga, the storyline benefits from solid plot developments and the dealings between Quark and the Vulcan trader are well-written and sensible . This episode's most fascinating selling point is the way it puts Sisko in the tough bind: He finds admirals breathing down his neck… fucking Nechayev, she is one of the most single-minded, condescending, and dismissive individuals I have seen on Star Trek period. he's forced into divided loyalties between his now-Maquis friend Cal and his duty to Starfleet; and the possibility of further violence erupting because of these skirmishes remains a possibility.

An early scene sets the tone when Sisko convinces himself of the reality of the Maquis' motives and frustrations—with a particularly apt observation that Starfleet's blind eye has been masked by the paradise of Earth they see every time they look out the window. Sisko's decisions here make him an ever more complex hero, something up till this point we had not seen in trek

A delicious scene in a Runabout features Dukat dismantling the will of a cargo ship captain by using the sheer power of his attitude. Indeed, Dukat emerges from "Maquis" as one of the most fascinating and multi dimensional recurring characters the series retains.

What we do find is that that the Cardassian Central Command really was supplying Cardassian colonists with weapons in the DMZ. the confirmation that it was *Central Command* that was supplying weapons confirms that the Cardassians were treacherous, trying to shut the colonists out in spite of their agreement to the contrary. This provides justification for Maquis retaliation, as strong as it gets, with something like near-absolute demonstration that the Cardassians *started it*, were trying to drive them out, and cannot be trusted. - No shit Cardassians and treacherous hmmmmmm le me think about that one. well Duh...

When Dukat is captured, Sisko cannot quite articulate to Kira *why* it is important to rescue Dukat, mass killer -- and while the rationalization he gives is *true* (if the Central Command wants him dead, that's reason for them to want him alive), and Dukat is very useful as the episode goes on, I think it's more along the lines that Sisko feels some mild sort of loyalty to Dukat, he-may-be-a-monster-but-he's-my-monster, as a result of Dukat's coming to Sisko in the hopes that the two of them can resolve the Maquis issue. When Dukat thanks Sisko for saving him, and Sisko says that he's sure Dukat would have done the same for him, and laughs, Dukat smiles a little after Sisko's departure, as if recognizing that there *is* something to be said for Sisko's weird, somewhat sentimental attitude.

The episode, for what it's worth, does not advocate taking the Cardassian position. It's not just that the intense militarism is evil, though it is that -- the way Dukat says that several political rivals believe that he should have killed every last Bajoran, and then shrugs and says "too late for that now," is chilling and darkly funny in its casualness...

I love Dukat. He's basically "space Hitler". They never do ANYTHING to counter that point. Yet he's so damned CHARMING that you're literally rooting for "space Hitler". It's amazing, really.
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bOrgCast 7.21- The Maquis pts 1 & 2 1 year 8 months ago #12481

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I love Dukat. He's basically "space Hitler".


He's more Space Adolf Eichmann really, but you're right he's charming as hell and really well scripted and acted in pretty much all his appearances in DS9.

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He's one of my favourite villains from anything- so well written with many dimensions to his character, and brilliantly acted too.

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